Kanye West and Tucker Carlson talk about Trump, Kardashian and Lizzo

Kanye West, who has been involved in a controversy this week after wearing a White Lives Matter T-Shirt at Paris Fashion Week, she apparently won’t be backing down anytime soon.

On Thursday, the rapper, whose legal name is Ye, found a kindred spirit on the conservative network Fox News. He appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” for a sit-down conversation filmed in West’s Los Angeles office; the second part of the interview will air on Friday.

West and Carlson discussed everything from the fallout from West’s endorsement of former President Trump to abortion (“I’m pro-life”) and his ex-wife, Kim Kardashian. West even managed to mention musician Lizzo and Tesla CEO Elon Musk.

Sporting a beard, a black hoodie, a cap emblazoned with “2023” and a lanyard with an ultrasound of a fetus, West told Carlson he found the divisive “White Lives Matter” T-shirt amusing.

“I thought the shirt was a fun shirt,” he said. “I thought the idea of ​​me wearing it was fun.”

He said he discussed the controversial clothing with his father, who he said was a former member of the Black Panther Party. West said his father noted that he was just a “black man stating the obvious.” He then reiterated that “the answer to why I wrote ‘White Lives Matter’ on a t-shirt is because they do. It’s the obvious,” echoing a sentiment he posted Wednesday on Instagram.

Her Paris Fashion Week outfit wasn’t the first time West had received criticism for her clothes. During the 2016 election, the rapper was regularly seen wearing the red “Make America Great Again” hat associated with Trump. Early in Thursday’s interview, West told Carlson the accessory made him a target.

“My so-called court-handling friends around me told me that if I said I liked Trump, my career would be over, my life would be over,” he said. “They said things like, ‘People get killed for wearing a hat like that.’ They threatened my life. They basically said they would kill me for wearing the hat.”

In the hours leading up to his interview with Carlson, West posted an instagram video of the presenter visiting Yeezy’s new office to sample unidentified drinks and test out the fashion entrepreneur’s new 3D-printed shoes.

West’s conversation with Carlson comes in the midst of a major controversy. On Monday, West turned heads when he wore a matching “White Lives Matter” T-shirt with conservative commentator Candace Owens in Paris. The resisted kickback not just from critics on Twitter, but also from fashion figures like Gigi Hadid, Jaden Smith and Vogue editor Gabriella Karefa-Johnson.

On social media, Hadid called West a “thug” for saying in an Instagram post that Karefa-Johnson is “not a fashion person” and for making fun of the boots the editor wore to Fashion Week. Paris.

fashion then issued a statement on Wednesday in support of Karefa-Johnson.

“She was personally attacked and harassed,” the magazine’s statement said. “It is unacceptable. Her voices like hers are needed now more than ever and in a private meeting with Ye today, she once again told her truth in the way that felt best to her, on her terms.”

Speaking to Carlson, West said the backlash “was a setup.” But then he turned her feud with Karefa-Johnson into a comment about her “good friend” Lizzo and her body.

“When Lizzo loses 10 pounds and announces it, the bots … attack her for losing weight because the media wants to spread the perception that being overweight is the new target, when in fact it’s not healthy,” West said. “If someone finds it attractive, to each their own. It is actually clinically unhealthy. And for people to promote that, it’s demonic.”

When Carlson asked the rap mogul to explain his stance on body diversity, West claimed that “it’s genocide of the black race. They want to kill us any way they can.”

Elsewhere in the interview, West discussed Kardashian and her ties to the Clinton family. He claimed that he “didn’t know how close my own wife was to the Clintons,” presumably referring to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Carlson then asked if the rapper felt pressure from his wife and his political connections.

“Yes, there was manipulation,” he said. “Not saying I like Trump was a form of manipulation.”

The first segment of the two-part interview ended with West weighing his “potential” run for president in 2024 (also ran in 2020), Musk (“he’s a great team player”), his controversial relationship with the Kushners, and how he was “bullied by Hollywood” into “biting his tongue” about supporting Trump.

But West also suggested that his relationship with Trump could be complicated at times.

“For older whites, they are quick to classify a black person just because we are black. Even Trump, a person we would consider a friend of mine, when I went to the White House, I called him after that to get rocky out of jail asap. And one of the things he said to me was, ‘Kanye, you’re my friend. When you got into the White House, my approval rating for black people went up 40%.’

“And to politicians, all blacks are worth is an approval rating,” he added. “The Democrats feel they don’t owe us anything. And the Republicans feel they owe us nothing. Blacks have never demanded anything for our vote.”

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